tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post3568402040367472551..comments2024-02-27T14:44:07.868+01:00Comments on Greedy goblin: Rest in pieces, minions of Evil!Gevlonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-2755670059810443632015-11-01T02:49:16.567+01:002015-11-01T02:49:16.567+01:00No Idea what you are smoking but it's not nice...No Idea what you are smoking but it's not nice to not share. "Broadcast4reps" is not a goon initiative, it's a community initiative such as your readers. Who are you to suggest that this program shouldn't go forward because of the actions of one player? I would think someone in your position would support such a noble cause and put aside your grrrgoons. Not sure if you know this, but Eve Online is a game with real people behind the computers. Everyone is entitled to seek help out, regardless of their affiliation. Maybe you should put your delusional ramblings aside and keep it strictly grrgoons and not "Broadcast4reps". Here is another little bit of information, even if Mittani went, there would always be someone else stepping up. Cajunnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-11164472628588111862015-10-29T01:03:27.435+01:002015-10-29T01:03:27.435+01:00@anonymus 21:44
he served his punishment? thats k...@anonymus 21:44<br /><br />he served his punishment? thats kind off not true.....he got a weeks ban,played on an alt,and goons burned the first jita burn in some sort of protest over his ban....and not that much changed really. Miniluv still ransoms people,ganks them after they pay,and tells them to go kill themselves afterwards. Goons will be goons,and hence nothing you do against them can be wrong as long as it leads to their destruction.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-36230985697106691772015-10-28T23:05:31.081+01:002015-10-28T23:05:31.081+01:00@ Estaban, regarding your comment [28th October 17...@ Estaban, regarding your comment [28th October 17:45]. Well said sir O7Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07183853996974248316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-46999749978636556582015-10-28T21:58:39.454+01:002015-10-28T21:58:39.454+01:00@Elizabeth: Lemmings were closed to focus more mon...@Elizabeth: Lemmings were closed to focus more money to Marmite who farmed the various minions of Evil (including RvB of course) for another year. Then that branch closed too and now the focus is nullsec, MoA. Each action increased the monthly ISK destroyed. I wish I had money for all of them, but didn't. This is why Lemmings closed, not because RvB did anything but failing.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-33371278966470052112015-10-28T21:44:49.617+01:002015-10-28T21:44:49.617+01:00Maybe that's because he made a mistake. People...Maybe that's because he made a mistake. People are human. People can change. Yes he told people to encourage another person to commit suicide, but he has served his punishment. <br /><br />Four years ago mental health was something that people just swept under the bed, now it's more recognized than ever. This isn't about the comment Mittens made and was punished for. One comment doesn't define a person. One person's past does not define their present or shape their future. It's childish and ignorant to let your personal dislikes cloud your judgments.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-66619706173732640742015-10-28T21:27:41.126+01:002015-10-28T21:27:41.126+01:00Uh, didn't Lemmings die before RvB?Uh, didn't Lemmings die before RvB?Elizabeth Nornhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11824549131088341809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-87443212680311400572015-10-28T20:08:09.828+01:002015-10-28T20:08:09.828+01:00Going to have to side with Gevlon on this one - no...Going to have to side with Gevlon on this one - not least because he never suggested that anyone should stop supporting B4R, for any reason. He asked a rhetorical question, which is worth asking. How can you be passionate about suicide prevention and at the same time support/follow a guy who tried to get someone vulnerable bullied into suicide?<br /><br />Mittens got off very, very lightly at the time, and as said above, he's lucky as hell that the victim didn't actually commit suicide. In addition to the primary tragedy of a guy losing his life, you can imagine the dark-side-of-EVE mainstream headlines: online game chieftain uses virtual power to put out a cyberbullying hit job. It's entirely possible our Mr Gianturco would have faced jail time and, in America, become a poster boy for further reaching legislation.<br /><br />No, all Goons aren't responsible for what he did. Most line Goons are probably decent people IRL, an impression reinforced by hanging out in their irl-profession-centric channels way back when. It's good that individual Goons support B4R and any other social solidarity initiatives in EVE. But yeah, it's fair game to wonder how those guys can follow The Mittani.<br /><br />Let's face it, those of us who play EVE are probably a sigma or two away from the mean on a number of psychological scales. There's likely a higher chance of friction with the rest of society, and certain pressures may be more likely to arise than in the general population. As enjoyable as in-game scumbaggery has always been and will always be, it's better for everyone that there be very little tolerance for people like Mittens and Erotica 1 who take it to meatspace.Estebannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-37894458288185360412015-10-28T17:45:02.171+01:002015-10-28T17:45:02.171+01:00@ChYph3r: is Hitler the leader of Germany? No, the...@ChYph3r: is Hitler the leader of Germany? No, they rejected him, broke his statues and banned his book. Anyone saying "Heil Hitler!" goes to jail. Did the Goons did the same to The Mittani?<br /><br />I DO support people with IRL problems by calling for the removal of the man who wants them DEAD.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-63471983059568549382015-10-28T17:32:00.898+01:002015-10-28T17:32:00.898+01:00Gevlon, so all goons are all bad people, because o...Gevlon, so all goons are all bad people, because of what one person said, how many years ago now? "EXAMPLE : It would be like saying all Germans are as bad as Hitler, because Hitler was a truly bad person. " Your ignorance and stupid ideology is showing. Your rash generalization that all Goons are bad or don't support people with IRL problems to receive some help they need even if it is in a video game is truly absurd.ChYph3rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05873582771541597560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-43105680222746685592015-10-28T17:18:19.286+01:002015-10-28T17:18:19.286+01:00@Anon, no, it means: "no one should support B...@Anon, no, it means: "no one should support Broadcast4reps who don't call for the immediate removal of the Mittani".<br /><br />While he is here, can you guarantee that there are no horrible people like himself lurking on the channel looking for victims? With him kicked, at least they'll think twice.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-41845100523876208892015-10-28T17:08:00.183+01:002015-10-28T17:08:00.183+01:00". CCP should be raked over the coals numerou...". CCP should be raked over the coals numerous times over thier blatent use of a "cause of the day " to get some publicity. "<br /><br />Because they obviously don't care at all when pilots commit suicide, right? They are only bothered about the loss of subs....Jesus Christ...some people are so blinkered it verges on pathetic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-67368297237933289732015-10-28T17:05:15.119+01:002015-10-28T17:05:15.119+01:00"Where do I exactly broadcast for reps"
..."Where do I exactly broadcast for reps"<br /><br />The bit where you say: "how can anyone support a movement like that with a straight face while tolerating the EVE-existence of someone saying on stage: "<br /><br />Is saying "While Mittens is in Eve, no one should support Broadcast4reps."<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-37664317877487673302015-10-28T16:52:16.618+01:002015-10-28T16:52:16.618+01:00Are you implying suicide prevention isn't wort...<i>Are you implying suicide prevention isn't worth every single persons effort?</i><br />No. As long as wars exist I only care about myself. Why should I put in the effort if all governments go happily about their killing business. If there ever will be peace maybe I change my mind, maybe the person on the edge of committing suicide might reconsider.<br />If someone wants to end their life, so be it. It wont get mentioned between the next news flash informing us about a successful bombing run killing 100+ people and Justins cat that farts the ABC backwards.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-23429074439375858062015-10-28T15:05:57.744+01:002015-10-28T15:05:57.744+01:00I do wonder why people think the mittani was doing...I do wonder why people think the mittani was doing anything other than making a poor drunken joke that day on stage, I have seen far worse out of chriss rock and other standup comedians. It was a joke hence why he was not perma banned, the guy whose name was read out on stage didn't even care. Now I'm one of those people who know Alex and here you are stating that I cannot support a charity to help suicidal people because I must be evil in real life? <br /><br />Frankly the people who should be questioning themselves here are people who have a hatred of other rival gamers so deep they then take it outside of the game and attack them every chance they get. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-21745419989147792782015-10-28T13:06:15.907+01:002015-10-28T13:06:15.907+01:00@Saint Michaels Soul: where do I exactly attack Br...@Saint Michaels Soul: where do I exactly attack Broadcast for Reps?<br />Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-73730095142535111422015-10-28T12:25:57.611+01:002015-10-28T12:25:57.611+01:00I don't think attacking the Broadcast for Reps...I don't think attacking the Broadcast for Reps movement to advance your otherwise entertaining "Grr Goons" stance is a bright move. They are trying to help people and jumping on a political bandwagon, pointing fingers and accusations and campaigning against someone is a very effective method of alienating people that might have otherwise come to them for help. They can't go about attacking individuals within eve without undermining their well meaning cause.Saint Michaels Soulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-75503115276959731092015-10-28T10:54:37.501+01:002015-10-28T10:54:37.501+01:00"People, unlike machines, can change. Some ca..."People, unlike machines, can change. Some can be taught; some can't. It's a gamble, but one where the wins outweigh the losses."<br /><br />And this point doesn't count for the people being perma-banned for way less misbehavior?<br />There should always be the same standard in decisions like that.<br /><br />And it is hard to explain, that you want to help people with suicidal thoughts, while on the other hand the call for exactly the opposite (encourage someone to suicide) didn't need a hard punishment. But hey, the person was drunk. And he is really sorry. Really.Amarr-Zonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-43894540227489762362015-10-28T10:02:58.551+01:002015-10-28T10:02:58.551+01:00@Druur Monakh: yes, people can change. But people ...@Druur Monakh: yes, people can change. But people who see that they need changes can't lead. When a CEO or politician slips "nigger", he must leave office, even if he's honestly sorry. Maybe he isn't a bad man, just a weak one, but he is no longer an example to follow. He can be one who contribute from behind and maybe years later return as a reformed man. But The Mittani never left leadership positions, beside CSM which he was forced to. He is still leading the Imperium. The propaganda site is named after him. The Goons CSMs follow his orders: http://nosygamer.blogspot.hu/2015/10/time-for-term-limits.html<br /><br />Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-79135204321622215172015-10-28T09:59:40.077+01:002015-10-28T09:59:40.077+01:00The Mittani is not in the video, and would be inap...The Mittani is not in the video, and would be inappropriate if he appeared in it.<br /><br />I agree with Gevlon, that CCP should not conduct business with The Mittani, and not just because of that outrage on that stage.<br /><br />I don't think that Gevlon's comment is outright disgusting. Gevlon would never associate with The Mittani, and cant understand why other people would and do. It was not a comment against B4R, it was a comment about how people not rally against The Mittani's unfair punishment.<br /><br />Stunt Flores gets a perma banned because of a JPEG. The Mittani gets a 30 day suspension. And the playerbase swallows this. There should have been an ingame riot and forum rageposting to permaban him. But CCP did not dare to piss him off, because he makes them too much business, they would lose income, people would lose their jobs if The Mittani decided to boycott CCP. It's a very unhealty relationship.<br /><br />General Mladic is just a name, he murdered people. So did Napoleon, Ceasar or any other military person, I'm sure many players have their names. Maybe we should permaban everyone in this corp:<br />http://evewho.com/corp/Stalin+Corporation<br />I mean, Stalin killed millions of people right?<br /><br />Maybe I should make a corp with the name "If you are weak Kill Yourself". If they report me its only a 30 day ban. But if I post a jpeg, thats permaban. Seems only fair.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-39157605983384139722015-10-28T09:45:23.880+01:002015-10-28T09:45:23.880+01:00@Gevlon "how can you honestly support that an...@Gevlon "how can you honestly support that and then be on tweetfleet and jabber and on whatever "smoke filled room" connection with someone who called for suicide bully?! It's hypocrisy! There are two and only two honest options here:"<br /><br />Wrong. Wrong wrong wrong. There is always a third option, and if you can't see it, you haven't been looking hard enough.<br /><br />People, unlike machines, can change. Some can be taught; some can't. It's a gamble, but one where the wins outweigh the losses.<br /><br />People can improve! You talk so much about teaching slackers how not to be slackers anymore, yet at the same time you deny other people the ability to improve socially (with no help from you, I have to add)?<br /><br />Druur Monakhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07299435488090977357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-74790630486783246082015-10-28T09:33:08.786+01:002015-10-28T09:33:08.786+01:00@Anonymous 08:01: As I said: "Lessons Learned...@Anonymous 08:01: As I said: "Lessons Learned." Yes, some people do 180s and only pay lip service, but other people in the real world do learn from their mistakes. And that's not hypocrisy, that's called "growing up". It's a process that never ends.<br /><br />And as it was pointed out to me just this evening, the Goons/Mittens have not said anything about B4R (at least nothing I can find) - they seem to have no beef in it as an organization. Any connection here is one made only by Gevlon.<br /><br /> @Gevlon Fine. Let's assume Mittens and the Goons are as bad as you suggest, and let's consider the fact that they are still in the game. Wouldn't be the existence of the 'Broadcast4Reps' initiative be right in line with your goals? A plucky initiative to show the Goons that they don't dominate the game?<br /><br />You'd dismiss them because you'd value killboard numbers over social victories?<br /><br />You really need your priorities straightened out, and learn some respect.<br /><br />Oh, and @Stan vanderVille was calling you out for hypocritical confirmation bias on your side. "MaO is fighting Goons, hence MaO is good."Druur Monakhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07299435488090977357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-91918496578513125932015-10-28T09:19:52.373+01:002015-10-28T09:19:52.373+01:00@Stan vanderVille, Warden of the North: Do you hav...@Stan vanderVille, Warden of the North: Do you have any evidence that Gen Eve took part in the genocide performed by (the real) General Mladic? If yes, please present it and I stop dealing with such horrible person.<br /><br />If not, then he was just cheering to General Mladic, which is indeed not nice, but no worse than those who laughed on the comment of The Mittani on Fanfest. The Mittani on the other hand was the one who performed the atrocity (calling people to cause someone's death), and it's only luck prevented actual death (no one answered the calling or they failed to find the target or the target wasn't as weak as assumed).<br /><br />I didn't say "permaban/boycott every Goons because of The Mittani", I said "permaban him and boycott his close friends and business partners" (before you'd mention Gen Eve again, do you have evidence that he has real life business or close friendship with any of the genocide performers?)<br /><br />Tldr: The Mittani = General Mladic, Gen Eve = some random Goon cheering to the MittaniGevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-58014616645120439612015-10-28T09:04:27.404+01:002015-10-28T09:04:27.404+01:00I was not yet playing EVE when The Mittani made hi...I was not yet playing EVE when The Mittani made his statement. But of course I heard of it.<br />And yes, I think about going to next Fanfest, just to see it once.<br /><br />But in my opinion also, CCP's penalization to The Mittani back then was way too little. Perma-ban would have been a proper reaction.<br />One may argue, that it was just a slip by a drunken person. But I think, as a drunken he had only less self-control and said, what he had in mind without thinking about consequences. If not drunk, he would have had the same thoughts, but wouldn't tell them, because he would have been aware of the (possible) consequences.<br />If you don't have such thoughts, you would never - not even drunk - tell such bull-shit.<br /><br />Simple as that for me. And so, yes, I see Gevlons point of people being hypocritical.Amarr-Zonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-28107498406929238502015-10-28T08:43:52.695+01:002015-10-28T08:43:52.695+01:00Perhaps you should start boycotting MoA then, beca...Perhaps you should start boycotting MoA then, because before CCP forced him to rename "Gen Eve", he was known as "Gen Mladic". He's also rather fond of supporting genocide in local.<br /><br />I honestly, eagerly await your reasoning as to how he is somehow a better person than Mittens. Because he didn't say it all on stage while so drunk he could barely stand? Then he must've said it sober - which would make it worse.<br /><br />Or maybe it was "fear talk" to "strike fear into the heart of goonies" - people have been banned for using an old meme ("gorilla warfare") to spam local in this manner, and one could argue that if that's the case - Mittani was just trying to strike fear into the heart of hisec miners.Warden of the Northnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-88808095132436709772015-10-28T08:24:16.455+01:002015-10-28T08:24:16.455+01:00What? You openly argue like that agains Broadcast ...What? You openly argue like that agains Broadcast for Reps by citing mittens failure and on the other hand you openly support people who were proudly choosing the name of a famous mass murder and war criminal? You should sometimes also remind the readers of your blog about MAO in the proper way! <br />I could tolerate that you are total anti-social. <br />But just always being biased is just annoing and just stupid propaganda.Stan vanderVillenoreply@blogger.com