tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post3348098464913711508..comments2024-02-27T14:44:07.868+01:00Comments on Greedy goblin: Why do you gank us, we build your ships?!Gevlonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-52090683313432171522014-07-24T15:54:41.922+02:002014-07-24T15:54:41.922+02:00I solo account jetcan in a Hulk, or mine in a Mack...I solo account jetcan in a Hulk, or mine in a Mackinaw if I really want the ore from a jetcan unsuitable system. Lost one hulk to a solo ganker in 5.5 years, saved my pod.<br />There's still lots of niches if you look for them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-59460623439351931902014-07-22T21:15:08.778+02:002014-07-22T21:15:08.778+02:00So. To play "Well" I need X+2 accounts a...So. To play "Well" I need X+2 accounts and play alone + multiboxed. where is the logic in that? besides the obvious reason: CCP cashing in. big time. Sucked everyone and their mother into believing that multi account is the way to go. <br />The skillsystem is by design a good excuse.<br /><br />I will stay "stupidly inefficient" and pay _only one_ yearly sub and sometimes buy 2+ PLEX to sell. Because I'm no where near a true 484.63m+ isk/h on one account. Till then it's more efficient for me to flip some burgers and buy plex from that money.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-1577952679370718582014-07-22T19:28:57.606+02:002014-07-22T19:28:57.606+02:00"[The casual miner] doesn't realize that ..."[The casual miner] doesn't realize that his low income places him into a despised social group that serves as nothing but punching bag."<br /><br />It's not the low income - it's the fact that he's mining in a PvP game filled with people looking for helpless targets.Druur Monakhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07299435488090977357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-25792191534422107872014-07-22T17:41:58.939+02:002014-07-22T17:41:58.939+02:00Why as a casual player must I matter? Why must I h...Why as a casual player must I matter? Why must I have some grand impact on the meta or the game universe? Shouldn't my enjoyment of the game really be what matters?<br /><br />For example, I am an RvB pilot who flies frigs and has a mining alt to make some isk. I plsy eve casually, and am also a casual console player. I like puppies and long walks on the beach, oh and seeing space pixels blow up.<br /><br />My RvB relevance is minimal. I fight, I have fun, and enjoy. Still, there's no sov, there's no income, there's no kill the blues to claim their faction base. It is simple easy access PvP I enjoy. Still, in the grand scheme another could take my place and it wouldn't matter. About my only contribution to Eve is another target for blue and a consumer of modules and ships.<br /><br />As a miner, I mine to fill my wallet when bored. Each hour of mining nets me 1 more frigate to lose. I could find an alternative income, but I have no desire to spend more effort on eve. While playing CoD with friends, I mine semi-afk.<br /><br />Now granted, as a PvP player, I know enough about eve to know my miner can and may be ganked. I also know I could make more missioning, but my system works.<br /><br />So why should I change because my method works just because I may not have an impact or be relevant? I enjoy the game, so why is that so wrong? In other words, why does my and other's casual enjoyment of the game, including mining, bother you so much that you feel the need to blog and push for changes?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-45854903199884260172014-07-22T16:25:30.510+02:002014-07-22T16:25:30.510+02:00In one of your previous posts you mentionned what ...In one of your previous posts you mentionned what happened when the goon destroyed highsec ice mining ships. If I remember correctly, the result was a dramatic price increase, which means to me that even if few people like highsec miners, they're indeed useful to the economy and keep stuff cheap. If this is true for ice then it must be true for minerals too.<br /><br />Now, you don't like highsec miners for whatever reason. Ok, we got it. But since you've said earlier that they kept prices low you can't say they don't now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-60722066440679367492014-07-22T15:13:57.120+02:002014-07-22T15:13:57.120+02:00"A 20 men fleet is up 8-10 hours a day, every..."A 20 men fleet is up 8-10 hours a day, every day, because the operator is a cliche no-lifer, a 1$/hour paid RMT employee or a bot."<br /><br />Na. The diffrenece is that a single miner is not so isk efficient. He can easily multibox and the efficiency will linear increasing.<br />No other activity you can do this that good. If you are ratting, your optimal is reached fast. But as miner, you can easily add more and more, and you are more and more effecitve since miner 2.<br /><br />I know a lot multiboxer, and they are not all no-lifer. Some are casuals with "not" much time to play. But if you can make 1 plex with 1 miner per month with your online time. You can do the same with 2 plex and 2 miners, and so on. It does not matter how much you have. <br />So it is more fun for them to have a fleet.<br /><br /><br />but, i also think that there are many many casual solo miners in highsec. if they would not do this, we would see a difference in the market.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-67061745206077870192014-07-22T11:50:03.363+02:002014-07-22T11:50:03.363+02:00I think you over glamorize the casual miners perce...I think you over glamorize the casual miners perception of their self worth. I was certainly under no pretensions. But it got me the initial capital to start trading and gave me trading experience. It also helped fund some other rather ill advised adventures. So it was fun. Maybe dumb but certainly fun. It was also a gank free experience except once. And that didn't end well for the aggressor for some reason I will nether understand nor care about.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-71088414488262594302014-07-22T11:25:08.687+02:002014-07-22T11:25:08.687+02:00The difference between 20 casual miners and a 20 m...The difference between 20 casual miners and a 20 men multibox fleet is time. You can mine 1-2 hours per fleet and 1-2 fleets per week before having death wish.<br /><br />A 20 men fleet is up 8-10 hours a day, every day, because the operator is a cliche no-lifer, a 1$/hour paid RMT employee or a bot.<br /><br />The reason why casual miner mines is being dumb or uninformed.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-89683723528527686042014-07-22T11:01:29.097+02:002014-07-22T11:01:29.097+02:00"mining corp is a synonym of useless lolcorp&..."mining corp is a synonym of useless lolcorp"<br />but you also say that "Multibox miner fleets would provide enough ore even if all the casual miners would be kicked out"<br /><br />What is the difference between 20 people mining in a mining op and 20 isboxer ships?<br /><br />Solo highsec mining may be low income, but so is anything below L4 missions, and yet people still do it. The best income in game is station trading, with 0 risk, and no need to be at your keyboard, or even logged in, and yet people do not do it.<br /><br />Without the casual miner, prices would rise, because the casual miners are the MIMAF crowd who keep everything ridiculously underpriced. Many of these same people do T1, which also explains how you can buy under build cost when they complete their weekly cycle.<br /><br />I think there is a common fallacy that people worry about their isk/hr. If they did that, then they would trade, because, lets face it, waking up 1m/100m/1b/10b richer than when you went to sleep ,and earning isk while not even logged in is fairly good isk/hr or even isk/effort.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-36509141190874813222014-07-22T06:28:04.795+02:002014-07-22T06:28:04.795+02:00@Provi miner: "you turn it on and it measures...@Provi miner: "you turn it on and it measures the time until turned off". Counting PvP or AFK in station time into it would be idiotic.<br /><br />@bluto: nice ideaGevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-28502342859340513502014-07-22T04:53:26.014+02:002014-07-22T04:53:26.014+02:00If they include the tool, I'd recommend includ...If they include the tool, I'd recommend including some sort of performance averages fro those with similar skill points who used the tool in the last day/week/month. blutonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-61187535948336997652014-07-22T03:54:44.786+02:002014-07-22T03:54:44.786+02:00oh gawd that would suck. Provi miner earns 500 is...oh gawd that would suck. Provi miner earns 500 isk an hour, why cause I only make enough to cover my nut plus a little some some for rainy days but I am on a lot. Mostly just chillin with the peeps, heck sometimes I am not even wanting to pvp and don't undock. Then there is the countless hours of when eve is on but I am no where near it. What a horrible idea. Or is this something settable like "ok start now because I am earning isk now", "stop now cause I am not earning isK"?Provi Minernoreply@blogger.com