tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post3228195394716315168..comments2024-02-27T14:44:07.868+01:00Comments on Greedy goblin: The Occu’thar monopolyGevlonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-64579939337579085762011-05-18T21:41:20.292+02:002011-05-18T21:41:20.292+02:00Also, if I remember correctly, he has posted failu...Also, if I remember correctly, he has posted failure conditions before, back when IG was trying to completely block WG. He has no problem admitting failure, defeat, or general incorrectness when presented with evidence to the contrary. It just seems he doesn't go looking for it either.Lighstagazihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09131012991568788276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-1369221689444003822011-05-18T21:39:12.135+02:002011-05-18T21:39:12.135+02:00@Anon: You're right, that doesn't make it ...@Anon: You're right, that doesn't make it invalid. But sticking with the crime metaphor, it's a rather weak case if you go "We think he was wearing gloves, dodged the security camera, and never spoke with anyone about it. Oh yea, and we don't have a body yet."<br /><br />There can be tests for true of both conditions though. You can catch the killer on security camera during the act, or you can have security footage of the alleged killer in a store, 3000 miles away at the time of the crime. Not having him on camera doesn't prove anything.<br /><br />It just seems Gevlon chases the "proof positive" case too hard, and might get some interesting results from looking for "proof negative" for a while. Drawing from some of his other recent posts, a sort of "Why bother breaking traffic law?" instead of "Why bother following traffic law?"Lighstagazihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09131012991568788276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-74254335755201227002011-05-17T21:51:16.137+02:002011-05-17T21:51:16.137+02:00Diminishing turns
The more you utilize the macro,...Diminishing turns<br /><br />The more you utilize the macro, eventually it'll be ignored.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-42079558097548862642011-05-17T20:55:22.244+02:002011-05-17T20:55:22.244+02:00@Lightstagazi:
An experiment being able to prove o...@Lightstagazi:<br />An experiment being able to prove one right, but not to prove one wrong doesn't make it valid. For instance, if I find your fingerprints on a knife, it proves you touched it, though even if I don't find them, it doesn't prove me wrong - you could have been wearing gloves. That might be a minor point, though. In any case, I'll postpone judgment on the experiment until I see the results. <br /><br />As a general rule, though, I agree that it would be nice if Gevlon explained what would constitute a failure and a falsification of the hypothesis before the experiment. In that way one avoids discussion about whether this really proves anything and suchlike after the experiment. Why don't you just state how many of the 56 (?) Tol Barad battles in the first week you expect to win, (which would seem to be all of them), and how many you would need to lose before admitting the macro doesn't work?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-26572499991540836712011-05-17T20:40:24.869+02:002011-05-17T20:40:24.869+02:00@Gevlon: I'd be interested in seeing you const...@Gevlon: I'd be interested in seeing you construct a test where your <b>theory</b> can fail, rather than yourself and your methodology. Or try making a test to prove for an alternate theory, even if it's just a short exercise in playing Devil's Advocate.Lighstagazihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09131012991568788276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-75204805480080601642011-05-17T06:38:54.025+02:002011-05-17T06:38:54.025+02:00@Lighstagazi: and the readers have every power to ...@Lighstagazi: and the readers have every power to decide if my excuse is valid, or what measure of success is accepted as success. My decision is irrelevant for them.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-36058660934253227642011-05-17T02:33:36.569+02:002011-05-17T02:33:36.569+02:00@ KhasDylar - It doesn't take a player, not ev...@ KhasDylar - It doesn't take a player, not even a casual, an entire week to finish a new quest chain.<br /><br />@ Lighstagazi - I agree with you 100%. There's always a new excuse if something doesn't work - influx of M&S on his side as 4.2 starts, all of the 'good' players are busy wiping in Firelands to bother with TB, etc. Maybe even that he gets locked out of TB because the Horde really don't care enough to send the M&S in, and his macro does nothing because everyone is off doing things in 4.2, and not in hanging around in Trade chat.Squishalothttp://www.wowhead.com/user=Squishalotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-17938560097441175562011-05-17T01:46:31.133+02:002011-05-17T01:46:31.133+02:00@Anonymous
The difference is that you can't re...@Anonymous<br />The difference is that you can't realistically fight back against the flight master. There are other options, such as hearthing, mounts, and enabling name plates, which all "work around" the problem. There is no other alternative for getting loot/achieves from that boss except killing that boss, or already having better gear.<br /><br />Gevlon's hypothesis is that M&S won't have the better gear, or alternate means to getting it, and thus will gladly flood TB for him.Lighstagazihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09131012991568788276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-17164724576175892432011-05-16T21:11:57.086+02:002011-05-16T21:11:57.086+02:00Here's my main problem with this project. Wha...Here's my main problem with this project. What happens when you lose? Does it prove your theory wrong, or do we just get excuses about what you did wrong, or how someone was sabotaging you?<br /><br />Even if we accept that your expected results prove your hypothesis right, I don't have any faith that unexpected results will prove your hypothesis wrong, which makes this feel like a faulty test case. It's a situation where if you're right, you win, and if you're wrong, you don't lose.Lighstagazihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09131012991568788276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-36344273797337803722011-05-16T20:55:29.146+02:002011-05-16T20:55:29.146+02:00Whats the difference between getting people togeth...Whats the difference between getting people together to cover a flight master vs getting people together to "own" TB for a week? In both cases you are reducing the enjoyment of others. Might as well become a corpse-camper.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-19113852018441434762011-05-16T19:28:03.162+02:002011-05-16T19:28:03.162+02:00Your experiment stinks.
If you want to prove that...Your experiment stinks.<br /><br />If you want to prove that your tactic of bringing out the M&S on you opponents side works, why are you poisoning the experiment by recruiting people to your side?<br /><br />If your side holds TB all week you have no idea if it was because of your tactic or if it was because you recruited lots of good pvpers to your side.Jimnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-9333064870542771312011-05-16T17:13:27.144+02:002011-05-16T17:13:27.144+02:00I'll go on record as saying this will fail. Yo...I'll go on record as saying this will fail. You will not have the manpower or the motivation to hold up your side of the battle for 168 hours, and your macro will be much less effective at the beginning of a content cycle than it is here at the end of a cycle. You may win most battles, but there will be losses.Wilsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-41085041449143202382011-05-16T15:15:58.229+02:002011-05-16T15:15:58.229+02:00@Squishalot: Is you say, there's barely any ne...@Squishalot: Is you say, there's barely any new non-raiding content in 4.2, than read the PTR patch notes and the official previews again. There will be a lot of new content, which you can do solo in Mount Hyjal as you progress in the story for saving Nordrassil where you can accumulate Mark of the World Tree - if you like currencies, and possibly you can buy some new, non-raid level loot with it.KhasDylarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-56385081593085461142011-05-16T10:51:22.058+02:002011-05-16T10:51:22.058+02:00@ Gevlon: Exactly how much new non-raiding content...@ Gevlon: Exactly how much new non-raiding content is there currently proposed in 4.2? Barely any. There's one new quest line involving Thrall, and a few new daily quests.<br /><br />That being said, there is basically nothing new for people who enjoy PvP. So again, if someone casual finds PvP more enjoyable than other grinding options, TB is a valid choice for them to make.Squishalothttp://www.wowhead.com/user=Squishalotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-75062044174313295582011-05-16T08:08:53.172+02:002011-05-16T08:08:53.172+02:00@Espoire: one can learn. Knowing you are not good ...@Espoire: one can learn. Knowing you are not good enough is the first step becoming better. If I were you I'd give it a try. There is time till 4.2. Also. <br /><br />@Squishalot: I can't imagine why would a casual player waste his only half an hour playing time on a lost TB battle when there will be so much new content in 4.2Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-80840665498210558032011-05-16T07:42:05.812+02:002011-05-16T07:42:05.812+02:00I agree with the initiative, I disagree with the p...I agree with the initiative, I disagree with the philosophical conclusion.<br /><br />As a casual player, if I have half an hour to play, why should I sacrifice and sit out now, just so that other people can raid a boss that I don't have time to wipe and learn on (after all, the first week will involve much wipeage)? At the end of the day, "M&S" going into TB are following a utilitarian imperative - do what provides them with the most utility.<br /><br />Because you can't distinguish between an M&S who doesn't realise that they aren't good, and someone who isn't going to be able to raid BH afterwards (or has no intention of raiding BH), you can't come to the conclusion that you're hoping to reach.<br /><br />Having said that, I think the real test will be to see if you remember you need to do this by the time 4.2 comes around. That's a long time away.Squishalothttp://www.wowhead.com/user=Squishalotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-8190888938945868222011-05-16T07:06:02.640+02:002011-05-16T07:06:02.640+02:00I look forward to observing this project. If I wer...I look forward to observing this project. If I were better at PvP, I would be tempted to join you, but I'm not very good, I'd make it harder by participating.<br /><br />See what I did there?<br /><br />Maybe I'll hop on the Horde side.Espoirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10334272684472188651noreply@blogger.com