tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post2464003582907160447..comments2024-02-27T14:44:07.868+01:00Comments on Greedy goblin: Morons of the weekGevlonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-79241944876672020872009-12-06T18:51:12.369+01:002009-12-06T18:51:12.369+01:00Sorry, but the bullet scam is theft. You are deli...Sorry, but the bullet scam is theft. You are deliberately creating a situation where people will make an honest mistake, to your benefit. This is not the case of smaller amounts being sold for a higher "per item" price as a convenience -- the bullets aren't being sold in stacks of 20 or 250, they are intentionally being sold in stacks of 100 in order to trick people.<br /><br />Grow up Gevlon. You already equip your readers with the knowledge to make tons of money legitimately -- no reason to encourage them to scam other players.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-14409069959625410112009-12-06T03:08:47.444+01:002009-12-06T03:08:47.444+01:00Well if you just need 1 Crystallized Fire and its ...Well if you just need 1 Crystallized Fire and its up for 4g, and Eternal Fire is up for 35g/piece i would still call this a Service.<br /><br />I also woudn't buy 5 cars if i only need one. <br /><br />However selling 100 Arrows when everyone expects them to be sold in stacks of 1000 is like selling half filled bottles.<br /><br />It, obviously, works. But that is in my Opinion exploiting of the fact that people are used to buy them in stacks of 1000.<br /><br />I wonder if the number of people who fall for that trick is going to decline after a while? Shure some m&s will always fall for it. But i wonder how many would fall for it twice?<br /><br />I for myself prefer to earn gold by providing services, not by exploiting people. <br />I guess im still a social after all :<Onenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-45563085554795088582009-12-04T11:01:29.620+01:002009-12-04T11:01:29.620+01:00Bullets are not scam for those hunters, who just w...Bullets are not scam for those hunters, who just wanted to fill theyr quiver to [almost]full after the raid.<br /><br />Selling crystallized elements for (Eternal/10)+n is not scam either.Not a goblin but a gnomenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-79858945885446236872009-12-03T20:17:14.779+01:002009-12-03T20:17:14.779+01:00One way to define a scam in a market is to ask if ...One way to define a scam in a market is to ask if the exchange made a person better off or worse off. By any reasonable set of assumptions of rationality, people will only trade in "Pareto improving" interactions. In the case of the vendor pet, it may well be Pareto improving, as the selling is actually offering information value (i.e., she knew where to buy it and the buyer did not). Moreover, the utility of the buyer may have gone up more than the equivalent utilty had from spending the 800g on other products (albeit unlikely).<br /><br />In the bullets case, however, it is unambiguously not a pareto improvement. Instead, this would be misidentification of product or just straight up deception. It's the equivilent of selling someone a used car without telling them the exhaust has been patched with duct tape. They MAY have been able to notice the flaw in the car, but many will not. In many locations, this transaction is illegal.<br /><br />Summary: pets not a scam, bullets ARE a scam.JustinAndrewJohnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01770692331668384652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-1893913268086182612009-12-03T00:10:01.765+01:002009-12-03T00:10:01.765+01:00LOVE the mammoth cutter AH tip.
This is a great ad...LOVE the mammoth cutter AH tip.<br />This is a great addition to my AH gold making.<br />Buy 1000 cutters for 8g99s, sell 10 lots of 100 for 8g95s. It works so well!<br /><br />Ellifain @ Khaz'gorothAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-22184856214725598902009-12-01T19:01:05.529+01:002009-12-01T19:01:05.529+01:00I sold several stacks of 100 mammoth cutters for q...I sold several stacks of 100 mammoth cutters for quite a bit of gold last night. I feel a bit guilty but meh, if people are that stupid I could care less.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-29378954348217773402009-12-01T09:41:49.863+01:002009-12-01T09:41:49.863+01:00Ammo:
I sense great fail in the "Blizzard...Ammo:<br /><br />I sense great fail in the "Blizzard's default auction UI does not display 1000 properly" phrase, since, actually, default UI shows these numbers perfectly clear. So it's a "scam" only for those who use modified UIs, hence no pity for them, and let'em SUFFER.Not a goblin but a gnomenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-15720516057155451772009-12-01T03:21:24.549+01:002009-12-01T03:21:24.549+01:00about the pet:
one other explanation would be tha...about the pet: <br />one other explanation would be that the person mistook the Obsidian for 5 other kinds of raptors. But most likely it was lack of research.<br /><br />arrows: when people are in a hurry (logging 2 minutes before the raid starts, for example), they wont pay attention for the things they need. you could say that the person who bought the arrows just bought a lesson: never underestimate the lengths people are prepared to go in making gold, so pay better attention :pAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-42907379668699553962009-11-30T17:36:41.691+01:002009-11-30T17:36:41.691+01:00Further, from a personal perspective, on vendor-so...Further, from a personal perspective, on vendor-sold items - I sometimes PURPOSELY buy vendor items from the AH for the convenience factor.<br /><br />I powerleveled enchanting on a character this weekend for the purpose of stat min/maxing. One of the recipes that make it easier (though not required, but you'll spend a lot more for mats for alternative enchants) is for a Mana Oil (Major? Superior? I don't remember which...) recipe from a vendor in Silithus.<br /><br />Do I want to spend 15-20 minutes minimum going to the armpit of Azeroth (more if I have to wait on a respawn)? Not really. So I paid 45g for an item that probably cost 2g at the vendor.<br /><br />If people want to spend their time gathering those - more power to them. I'll happily pay a premium (to a point) for these out-of-the-way items.Heywood Djiblomihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01424315448841746864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-92186990935830401812009-11-30T17:28:11.846+01:002009-11-30T17:28:11.846+01:00Re: Obsidian Hatchling
I, too, sold a few of thes...Re: Obsidian Hatchling<br /><br />I, too, sold a few of these in the weeks after their inclusion in the game.<br /><br />Consider this: if Blizzard were concerned that selling vendor items were such a horrific scam, they would make them BoA (or BoP) to prevent it. Hasn't happened in the last five years, and it won't happen in the next five. Why? It requires far too much micromanagement for zero return (i.e. where do you draw the line?).Heywood Djiblomihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01424315448841746864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-42901356152833874542009-11-30T16:50:51.076+01:002009-11-30T16:50:51.076+01:00no cant ageree. if a user cant tell the difference...no cant ageree. if a user cant tell the difference between a stack of 100 and a stack of 1000 its either stupidity, in which case its a stupid tax, or lazyness and the assumption that everyone sells full stacks.<br /><br />The image clearly shows a difference between 100 arrow listing and 1000. the 100 is cut short the 100 isnt. if the user doesnt see this its no different than someone selling something at 10 gold when they meant to type in 100 gold, or buying a vendor pet at 500 times the vendor price. Its just lack of knowledge or shear stupidity or a mistake.<br /><br />It is not a scam, it is playing on people presumptions and habits. But then so is selling vanity pets with the premise that its for charity and playing on peoples habit of not reading the small print and seeing only some of the money is charitable on only one pet and only for a limited period.morningstarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-10446684367364373602009-11-30T16:24:09.131+01:002009-11-30T16:24:09.131+01:00@morningstar
because in your saronite example the...@morningstar<br /><br />because in your saronite example the buyer is mostly lazy. He know what he's buying and could have gotten it at a lower price if he scrolled the pages.<br /><br />In the arrow example you are taking advantage and the buyer does NOT know what he's buying, he gets 10 times less the he thinks he's getting.<br /><br />In the first you take advantage of someones laziness but the person gets what he is paying for. In the second example you still take advantage of laziness but the person DOESN't get what he thinks he's paying for.Orcstarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-16128770481132679402009-11-30T12:10:25.893+01:002009-11-30T12:10:25.893+01:00ok saronite ore sells for 15g a stack.
someone lis...ok saronite ore sells for 15g a stack.<br />someone lists 50 as single ore listings at 5g each.<br />Player buys 20 at 5g because he didnt go to second page and bought them because they are listing in order of price listed not price per unit. <br />This is essentially the same as the arrow "scam" as you are calling it.<br />Spitting stacks and selling for more is standard practice on AH, so why is it a scam when someon uses arrows to do it.<br />Caveat emptor.morningstarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-83210763152683223242009-11-30T07:39:25.920+01:002009-11-30T07:39:25.920+01:00@Azzur, I'll let you know when I get banned.
...@Azzur, I'll let you know when I get banned. <br /><br />@everyone else, as a commenter said earlier, the difference in stack postings is pretty obvious in a default UI, even more so in a modded UI. Why not take advantage of a moron that isn't paying attention?Geegollynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-39127476382971899092009-11-30T06:42:15.171+01:002009-11-30T06:42:15.171+01:00If you read Blizzard's TOS carefully, they hav...If you read Blizzard's TOS carefully, they have a clause that states that they can ban for "actions against the essence of the game".<br /><br />Take BG afking for example. Maybe people think that afking (and not botting) will not get banned. But they are incorrect, bans have been handed out for "non-participation" in BGs.<br /><br />I would love to see one of these ammo sellers get banned.Seanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18381576369055180683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-31634642201813967092009-11-30T03:00:39.691+01:002009-11-30T03:00:39.691+01:00Re: Arrows
Blizzard isn't exactly known for be...Re: Arrows<br />Blizzard isn't exactly known for being lenient in ambigous situations. If they feel its a scam, they will treat it as a scam and reply with bans, ignoring the fact that their fail UI is the real reason for the problems.Vegardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-61663448852853045352009-11-29T23:46:49.507+01:002009-11-29T23:46:49.507+01:00That ammo listing thing isn't really a scam bu...That ammo listing thing isn't really a scam but it's not very ethical either. I'm all for making tons of gold, and have thanks in part to greedygoblin, but I don't want to take advantage of another player by manipulating the listing because it doesn't display properly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-60952237135479265602009-11-29T23:13:17.144+01:002009-11-29T23:13:17.144+01:00@Anonymous said...
"The obsidian hatchling &q...@Anonymous said...<br />"The obsidian hatchling "scam" has been going on for a long time."<br /><br />When selling vendor-sold vanity pets people actually get what they think they are buying, in this case they get 90% less then they will probably believe they are buying. In the case of vanity pets they either don't care about the gold and thus skip looking for details at websites such as Wowhead, or are simply too lazy to move to the vendor. In the case of the pets you are providing a service to them by spending the 5 minutes to travel to a vendor, buy it, mail it and finally put it at the AH, and once again, they get what they think they are getting.<br /><br />It's probably not banable and surely only morons will fall for such a scam, but it remains a very lame and silly way to earn gold and it won't earn you any respect.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-1991975986420479462009-11-29T22:46:01.688+01:002009-11-29T22:46:01.688+01:00or a little bit of all :>or a little bit of all :>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-21813749437887739992009-11-29T20:57:07.447+01:002009-11-29T20:57:07.447+01:00@Anonymous
There are many types of business opport...@Anonymous<br />There are many types of business opportunities:<br />(1) Scam: the arrow thing is a scam...admittedly a funny scam - y'can easily make a few hundred a day off of it.<br />(2) Ignorance exploitation: Vendor pets for 500 g. You can make a few thousand off of it...then you run out of exceptional idiots.<br />(3) Service: Gevlon's inscription business is a real service. It lets everyone horde-side pick up any useful glyph for < 8 g from the AH. Otherwise, they'd be stuck looking for glyph sellers half the time. Here, you can make a few thousand a day by making everyone else's lives easier.<br /><br />I suspect that most high-earning goblins fit into the service category.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-82931236303545375132009-11-29T20:41:37.180+01:002009-11-29T20:41:37.180+01:00(offtopic)
would somebody get this guy a real blo...(offtopic)<br /><br />would somebody get this guy a real blog header btw, this looks silly <br /><br />{offtopic)<br /><br /><br />@2 posts above me<br /><br />thats not bad, its being a goblin<br />prey on the M&SAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-18959884675922614962009-11-29T19:44:57.650+01:002009-11-29T19:44:57.650+01:00The obsidian hatchling "scam" has been g...The obsidian hatchling "scam" has been going on for a long time. I walked away with 5000g the first day of the patch. <br /><br />When 3.3 hits they are releasing 2 more pets from the obsidian hatchling vendor. More easy gold:)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-33375930908603597302009-11-29T18:06:37.171+01:002009-11-29T18:06:37.171+01:00I did the bullet thing and now I feel guilty. Was ...I did the bullet thing and now I feel guilty. Was actually online when someone bought them all. Won't be doing that again. I'm a bad man!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-82806095773943515222009-11-29T15:01:05.530+01:002009-11-29T15:01:05.530+01:00@ The last Anonymous
Actually there is nothing tha...@ The last Anonymous<br />Actually there is nothing that could get him banned for doing it. You are free to put your stuff up for any price as long as it isn't ridiculous market manipulation. Additionally that is not a bug, as there are three dots after the number when you got more than 1000 items in a stack it's obvious that Blizzard did intend for it to work that way. <br /><br />A bug would be if it displayed wrong number or didn't let you post them in stacks of 1000. Sure, it is morally wrong for some people but that doesn't make it forbidden.Belsebubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16464982697541361124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-22437631731287885282009-11-29T13:32:59.736+01:002009-11-29T13:32:59.736+01:00Yeah, the ammo selling scheme is a bit of a scam. ...Yeah, the ammo selling scheme is a bit of a scam. Still... officially there's nothing wrong with it.<br /><br />That epic thread is quite funny too:<br />"inscription is not meant to be profitable. ".<br /><br />And a ton of advice a la "buy them all out and relist them". Because obviously buying out an item that can easily be mass produced is a greatidea.Carrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11155709707982913637noreply@blogger.com