tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post2397867115260821376..comments2024-02-27T14:44:07.868+01:00Comments on Greedy goblin: WoT & LoL: rigged or just demo mode before the game?Gevlonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-36312003267300943092017-05-24T18:42:39.049+02:002017-05-24T18:42:39.049+02:00I agree with nightgerbil. I play WoT for fun, or a...I agree with nightgerbil. I play WoT for fun, or at least that's how I started out. Once reaching a certain level, the game becomes anything BUT fun, as your user account gets heavily nerfed. You do a fraction of the damage, retain a fraction of the armor, and are given a fraction of the viewing/spotting range, to go with a fraction of the aimed-shot accuracy. As he noted, you must inflict MANY more hits to destroy the very same tank you're using, which somehow is one or two-shotted within the first 90 seconds of a match....many times by LESSER tanks.<br /><br />Why this occurs is likely nothing more than simply rewarding players who are committed to spending actual money on a continual basis. The proverbial 'pay-to-win' model that has become all the rage with online gaming these days. <br /><br />I'd rather WGN just manufacture a game disc and charge up front, as opposed to offering WoT as a 'free to play' game, and then continually deny they're using the pay-to-win model.<br /><br />Conrad The Crazednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-84853850146027985942017-05-17T13:01:10.430+02:002017-05-17T13:01:10.430+02:00@Nightgerbil
The most fun i had with a game in yea...@Nightgerbil<br />The most fun i had with a game in years was playing Dark Souls NG+1 on a lowest possible vitality character (so, lowest HP), while permanently wearing a Calamity Ring (x2 damage taken). This basically results in everything 1-shotting you, while some bosses can take significantly more than 12 hits to beat.<br />I think i'd have fun PvPing with that setup, too, if it was at all possible in Dark Souls to really base your PvP tactic around avoiding damage :(maximhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12576542229498004147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-84903151867634646292017-05-17T06:35:15.261+02:002017-05-17T06:35:15.261+02:00@Nightgerbil: "for fun" players cannot w...@Nightgerbil: "for fun" players cannot win a fair game. In WoT, sometimes you need 12 hits to kill, but sometimes you are the one who needs 12 hits to die. In the latter case, the "for fun" people finally can have fun.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-17058626421973960462017-05-17T00:45:32.656+02:002017-05-17T00:45:32.656+02:00@Anon after Maxim: Your statement breaks when grou...@Anon after Maxim: Your statement breaks when groupsize A does not equal B. Thus, your statement breaks quite often.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-81175960266361484412017-05-17T00:43:27.493+02:002017-05-17T00:43:27.493+02:00Whats wrong with your commenters? I like to win. I...Whats wrong with your commenters? I like to win. I can stand losing, but I want to learn from it, so I can win next time. I don't NEED a level playing field, but I insist on a fighting chance or I'm not playing. Theres nothing "fun" about being crushed or one shotted when it takes you 12 hits to kill your opponent. nightgerbilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11555431875907240808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-67627093642615175732017-05-16T22:07:36.678+02:002017-05-16T22:07:36.678+02:00They obviously do care. They don't say, "...They obviously do care. They don't say, "So what if it's rigged?" They get very upset.Alrenoushttp://alrenous.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-52518619323115932022017-05-16T21:12:37.072+02:002017-05-16T21:12:37.072+02:00"Fun" is a very subjective thing. As has..."Fun" is a very subjective thing. As has already been pointed out, it can mean very different things for different people. Please don't see this as a counter point, but more as an additional view point.<br /><br />I have the feeling that Gevlon's idea of fun might not be too far from my own, in which winning itself is not even as important as competing (sry, Gevlon in case I'm wrongfully assuming here). But for it to be a competition the competitor should be allowed to win or lose due to his or her own actions. Which means that losing will be his or her own fault, and while that might temporarily hurt the self worth for a fraction, in this context only "winning" becomes meaningful. Because only if you won by your own accord, you can certainly feel it to be your accomplishment. Contrarily being handed pity wins (or bought wins) by algorythms won't have that effect on people who play to compete - a target group that, I feel, is being less and less catered to by the gaming industry.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-89383876146580672552017-05-16T20:32:34.441+02:002017-05-16T20:32:34.441+02:00How can he miss "it was fun"? It's ...How can he miss "it was fun"? It's not something that can be quantified and changes from person to person, and so is irrelevant. Person A finds something enjoyable, person B finds that same thing unenjoyable, so the net difference over a large audience is 0. It makes no difference.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-2661004788868707772017-05-16T17:08:18.231+02:002017-05-16T17:08:18.231+02:00@Gevlon
"I expected actual faction war with s...@Gevlon<br />"I expected actual faction war with stakes, insted i got a theme park".maximhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12576542229498004147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-5046717438579245502017-05-16T13:25:38.244+02:002017-05-16T13:25:38.244+02:00Because -fun- Gev.
People are having fun. Who ca...Because -fun- Gev.<br /><br />People are having fun. Who cares if the game is rigged if you don't care about your w/l ratio and just want to do the tank thing or play the MOBA or shoot the mans or whatever else?<br /><br />That's the one thing you miss, often, in your analysis. People do things for the fun of doing them, in their way, and what matters to you may have nothing to do with why they pick up a controller.<br /><br />As an analogy, we all know carnival games of all stripes are rigged. Why do people play them? It certainly isn't to win stuffed animals (though it's fun when it happens). It's the fun of doing the thing. That's all.<br /><br />Carnival games are a fantastic study for this effect, and there's a lot of literature on why. Casinos too- everyone knows the house always wins, yet they play anyway on games no more rigged than Lol or Wot. Because -fun-.<br /><br />No matter how alien that may seem, it cuts to player motivation. You like to 'win' and others like to explore, or tell stories, or grief, or just watch pretty explosions. Every one of those choices is valid.<br /><br />I like reading about your theories, but this is the part you miss sometimes. The simple idea of having fun is more powerful than you realize# I think.The Standing Dragonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00371572149657575089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-32491907575375960682017-05-16T08:16:26.881+02:002017-05-16T08:16:26.881+02:00I see no cheating in WoW. Shallow gameplay yes, bu...I see no cheating in WoW. Shallow gameplay yes, but you get exactly what you expect (while in WoT and LoL you expect a random battle and get a set-up team)Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-20396858361233463282017-05-16T06:10:33.465+02:002017-05-16T06:10:33.465+02:00I struggle to think of any activity which doesn...I struggle to think of any activity which doesn't have something which can be interpreted as cheating of this form.<br />This is just a sign of the current age where everything needs to be actively sold to the audience.maximhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12576542229498004147noreply@blogger.com