tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post2035407350660218700..comments2024-02-27T14:44:07.868+01:00Comments on Greedy goblin: The first mining fleetGevlonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-88521878606760246582012-04-12T22:07:31.989+02:002012-04-12T22:07:31.989+02:00Good, I see you've been sorted out on the jetc...Good, I see you've been sorted out on the jetcan issue.<br /><br />If you can't bring an Orca, you will probably need someone ( or even better, two someones ) to bring an industrial fitted with a 10NM MWD and a tractor beam to fetch the cans and, when full, to haul ore to the nearest station for refining ( refined product is a hell of a lot easier to haul to market ).<br /><br />If you are going to aggregate hauling, you will need to either give everyone equal shares, or look at fits and spreadsheet micro shares. Maybe one share per mining laser 1 ( 40 cubic meters per 60 seconds ), with other mining gear ( strip miners, drones, crystals, MLUs, etc ) being worth more shares.<br /><br />Some kind of spreadsheet would have to be created.<br /><br />Eve University uses equal shares on its mining ops, trusting that miners will upgrade to increase total profit, but that is a bit socialistic.Kristophrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08370888276707569365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-15270949311610112642012-04-12T17:28:42.397+02:002012-04-12T17:28:42.397+02:00@Gevlon
I personally would go for the less product...@Gevlon<br />I personally would go for the less productive retriever rather than the battleship due to it being alot easier to use. This would significantly shorten the time I needed to use the rokh.<br />In short I like the 3 minute cycle time and larger cargo space of the retriever than the higher yielding rokh. The advantages of the rokh is its durability and skill requirements.Bobbinsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-85159532630608434812012-04-12T16:53:54.874+02:002012-04-12T16:53:54.874+02:00@Bobbins: I'd rather say "did not train t...@Bobbins: I'd rather say "did not train to mine" instead.<br /><br />I mean guys income was ratting and missioning. These are nerfed. Mineral prices are up, pulling ship prices up. His income decreases, costs increases. So he decides to mine. His options:<br />- Keep ratting missioning for 5 weeks while he trains a Hulk<br />- Train Mining 4 and jump on his battleship to mine while training for a Hulk.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-53577416890361295592012-04-12T16:46:45.953+02:002012-04-12T16:46:45.953+02:00@Gevlon
The original advice was given to someone w...@Gevlon<br />The original advice was given to someone who had already skilled up to a hulk. <br />However your point that the rokh is viable to someone who doesn't want to train to mine. Well it works but that person will always be less productive than a specialised miner. It will be alot harder work using mining lasers than the strip miners and in general just more pain for less gain. <br />When the mineral prices go up if he mines using a rokh he will work harder and longer for less isk until he trains and gets the right equipment.Bobbinsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-27564302126283625552012-04-12T16:03:03.293+02:002012-04-12T16:03:03.293+02:00Even though you can compete with a retriever's...Even though you can compete with a retriever's yield mining in a battleship by squeezing in several MLUs, you will go crazy. You have to drag your ore into the can every 1-2 minutes which will make you go crazy in a very short time. Meanwhile retrievers can go 3-6 min between clicks, and Hulks 6-15 min depending on fit. <br /><br />Over the course of a couple hours one will leave you with plenty of time to work on industry spreedsheets or reading while the other will make you hate mining. <br /><br />Perhaps it's the fact that I've been mining in a Hulk with a 17.2k cargo hold for a couple weeks now, but once Hulkageddon begins I'll probably just work on getting my standing up, because if I have to mine in something with less than 1k cargo space (not to mention the massive yield decrease), well I'd just rather not mine at all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-30402365707819042242012-04-12T15:43:42.899+02:002012-04-12T15:43:42.899+02:00I will try to be there with my Vexor (4 mining las...I will try to be there with my Vexor (4 mining lasers + 5 drones). <br /><br />Werner KaladanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-86639789809984426512012-04-12T14:43:33.090+02:002012-04-12T14:43:33.090+02:00@Bobbins: and how about someone who already has a ...@Bobbins: and how about someone who already has a fully fitted battleship but when the mineral prices peak, he wants a piece of that? All he has to learn is Mining 4 and off he goes!Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-16439341006157840272012-04-12T14:29:26.149+02:002012-04-12T14:29:26.149+02:00@Kristopher
'I gave the same advice today to a...@Kristopher<br />'I gave the same advice today to a newb on the forums who was complaining about a griefer in a gank fit destroyer nuking his untanked Hulk in highsec.<br /><br />Buy a Rohk, and mine old school. Laugh at gank-destroyers'<br /><br />That is bad advice. A Rohk is not the best way to mine far from it. Of course it depends on the circumstances but telling him how to skill up and the modules to use on the hulk is better advice. Hulkaggedon is not the norm and people use the rokh during that event because of the greatly increased risk. I doubt very much you can laugh at ganking destroyers that force you to use a rokh to mine perhaps cry but laugh no.Bobbinsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-42201615098493744302012-04-12T14:21:01.505+02:002012-04-12T14:21:01.505+02:00@Gevlon,
Jetcans have a two hour time limit. If y...@Gevlon,<br /><br />Jetcans have a two hour time limit. If you can't deal with jetcans within that time period then you have a logistical problem.<br /><br />The most common Orca fit for high slots is Tractor + two mining gang links (cycle time reduction and range increase). Only the cycle time reduction assists in increasing yield and the range increase is mostly a convenience piece.<br /><br />Second, Orcas are considered valid targets for Hulkageddon and I believe in at least one of the past ones they made industrials and freighters valid targets as well. It's good and all to have the BS miners but the other links in the chain are still weak and vulnerable. Knock out the Orca and the whole op falls apart.<br /><br />Last year 6 Orcas and 1 Rorqual were popped along with 2 Freighters, 1 Jump Freighter, 506 Industrials, and 30 Transports.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-43802584717902473342012-04-12T14:17:46.405+02:002012-04-12T14:17:46.405+02:00@Care: did not know that, post updated.@Care: did not know that, post updated.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-78989315125697380612012-04-12T13:50:56.502+02:002012-04-12T13:50:56.502+02:00@Gevlon
Yes there is a 3 minute delay between jet...@Gevlon<br /><br />Yes there is a 3 minute delay between jetcanning, but that doesn't matter. You jetcan once to create a container in space which has a volume of 25kmĀ³. You open that container and drag fresh ore into from your cargobay. No need to make a fresh jetcan container everytime.<br /><br />Also, name your containers, it makes it easier to keep track of things. And keep in mind that they implode after 2h's (to avoid garbage) so a timestamp upon creation is recommended<br />example:<br /><i>1245 Gevl - full<br />1248 Care - full<br />1302 Gevl<br />1309 Care</i>Carenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-81381642417014326892012-04-12T12:58:15.193+02:002012-04-12T12:58:15.193+02:00Jetcan has time limit and I can't guarantee Or...Jetcan has time limit and I can't guarantee Orca for every fleet.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-14652010832940228252012-04-12T12:31:37.813+02:002012-04-12T12:31:37.813+02:00Count me in. Will probably be flying an Osprey. Or...Count me in. Will probably be flying an Osprey. Or I could bring a ~24k cargo Bestower.Caramaelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-66406310674003908602012-04-12T12:27:12.506+02:002012-04-12T12:27:12.506+02:00@Gevlon:
You don't need to dock to unload you...@Gevlon:<br /><br />You don't need to dock to unload your ore into the orca, you just drag it from your cargo bay into the orca's cargo bay if you are within 2500m range. Alternatively, you can jetcan it in space.Carenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-70877930016768455112012-04-12T12:03:24.532+02:002012-04-12T12:03:24.532+02:00Gevlon, you might want to add a meeting point (not...Gevlon, you might want to add a meeting point (not the system where you want to mine tho) for the mining fleet. If all the people have first to travel there, it will take quite some time for the OP to take off.arianteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01943421690524126587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-16063379841927903282012-04-12T11:36:21.824+02:002012-04-12T11:36:21.824+02:00@Anti: without cargohold expanders the hold can...@Anti: without cargohold expanders the hold can't even carry 2 cycles of ore. <br /><br />Of course if you don't mind to orca-dock after every cycle, fit MLUsGevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-24060861354041552042012-04-12T11:31:22.565+02:002012-04-12T11:31:22.565+02:00i was already thinking of a mining BS for Hulkaged...i was already thinking of a mining BS for Hulkageddon.<br /><br />i have yet to crunch the numbers but doesnt the the rokh rely on four mining laser upgrades (MLU) to be competitive with the retriever (let alone the hulk).<br /><br />just checked info on<br />http://www.eve-wiki.net/?title=Haladas_Mining_Guide<br />(haladas mining guide)<br /><br />using the retriever as baseline:<br />retriever - 100%<br />rokh - 120% if fitted with MLUs<br />covetor - 179%<br />hulk - 275% (perfect skills)<br />orca boosted hulk - 354%<br /><br />so fitting the rokh with a tank instead of MLUs might make it even less effective as a retriever.<br /><br />covetor is a decent upgrade on the retriever....but the training time from covetor to hulk is insignificant so most people jump straight from retriever to hulk. i know i did.Antinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-12195109242287481212012-04-12T10:56:03.653+02:002012-04-12T10:56:03.653+02:00Off-grid undock bookmarks. 200k+ bookmarks on gate...Off-grid undock bookmarks. 200k+ bookmarks on gates in frequently travelled areas.<br /><br />If what you're carrying is important, in some circumstances bounce off planets 1st, not gate-to-gate.<br /><br />For fast transport, an interceptor or an assault frigate. It will take a surprising amount of beating.<br /><br />A fully tanked HAC, Hdictor or even T2 BC can also save you a lot of grief. You can get an unholy EHP with those things.Buggritnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-29097948128662623022012-04-12T10:35:33.890+02:002012-04-12T10:35:33.890+02:00Eve time is GMT (or UTC, more correctly).Eve time is GMT (or UTC, more correctly).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-34162103524159012502012-04-12T08:16:51.756+02:002012-04-12T08:16:51.756+02:00That is a moron getting ganked like that. When hau...That is a moron getting ganked like that. When hauling in & out of Jita always use off-grid bookmarks when coming out and warp to zero to dock up. NEVER go in & out of the Perimeter gate. No shield tank and no warp stabs. He deserved to be ganked.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-58581505967228456552012-04-12T08:06:27.097+02:002012-04-12T08:06:27.097+02:00One other note:
A Covetor is fairly expensive, an...One other note:<br /><br />A Covetor is fairly expensive, and takes almost as long to train for as a Hulk, and a Procurer is not much better than a mining Vexor with a full set of mining drones.<br /><br />I would suggest dropping to a Retriever instead, if you aren't going the Rohk route.<br /><br /><br /><br />BTW, if you are mining in a Rohk with an Orca handy, you will want to put Mining laser upgrades in low, and maybe fit some nanos to improve bug-out speed. Cargo hold capacity is not important ... it just needs to be able to hold one or two mining laser cycles.<br /><br />Just stay close to the Orca, and dump your hold directly into the Orca's corporate tab. If the Orca wanders off, jetcan the ore, and the Orca can grab the can with it's huge tractor range.Kristophrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08370888276707569365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-38581655583100126342012-04-12T07:57:25.611+02:002012-04-12T07:57:25.611+02:00The losses from using a weak hauler will be higher...The losses from using a weak hauler will be higher than you think because you didn't factor in the price of minerals lost on each ship blown up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-33389485222532586042012-04-12T07:24:55.752+02:002012-04-12T07:24:55.752+02:00Ah, good.
I gave the same advice today to a newb ...Ah, good.<br /><br />I gave the same advice today to a newb on the forums who was complaining about a griefer in a gank fit destroyer nuking his untanked Hulk in highsec.<br /><br />Buy a Rohk, and mine old school. Laugh at gank-destroyers.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Off topic, but hilarious:<br /><br /><a href="http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13019651" rel="nofollow">340 Caldari Navy BCUs.</a><br /><br />If this moron had carried his stuff in an Orca's corporate hold, this would not have dropped or have been visible. A Prorator is a nice cloaky transport ... but it is hard to cloak when undocking or docking at a horribly busy place like Jita.<br /><br />Makes me want to consider taking up suicide ganking when I see this stuff ...Kristophrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08370888276707569365noreply@blogger.com