tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post1288973542001626751..comments2024-02-27T14:44:07.868+01:00Comments on Greedy goblin: The real victim of welfareGevlonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.comBlogger53125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-19744223395224508472009-08-25T20:55:51.779+02:002009-08-25T20:55:51.779+02:00You have some very interesting ideas and posts. Th...You have some very interesting ideas and posts. They make me think, and as I enjoy use of my brain cells, I enjoy reading your posts, regardless whether I agree fully or not.<br /><br />I have mixed feelings on these so-called "welfare" epics.<br /><br />On the one hand, because I enjoy having alts, and enjoy experiencing the game from different roles, making it simpler for me to get gear (and see more content on my alts) is good for me.<br /><br />On the other hand some of the really awful players I have had the misfortune to encounter will probably end up in raids causing headaches and frustration simply due to "gear checks" not being an adequate indicator of ability to stay out of bad stuff.<br /><br />I like to think I am not one of the M&S since I manage to heal Ulduar groups on my main, and despite feeling stressed about my hunter's DPS, I got it up to 2.5K by reading about the class, and being willing to sacrifice the spec I enjoyed (Beast master) for a spec that would benefit a raid situation more (survival).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-83903451741280809892009-07-01T00:17:20.788+02:002009-07-01T00:17:20.788+02:00Your arrogance seems to increase every day, Gevlon...Your arrogance seems to increase every day, Gevlon. <br /><br />I loved this line from your post: "... No geared M&S will risk our positions as their skills are ridiculous. Our work will always be needed, both RL and WoW."<br /><br />Your position in your guild's raid is at risk as soon as the next slightly above average player offers to pay 6000g a week for a raid spot.<br /><br />You seem to forget you are a john paying a prostitute for a lay, not some uber-skilled pick-up artist.<br /><br />You got your ilev226 gear not by exceptional skill and dedication to raiding, but by buying it with gold you made by being the Walmart of the auction house. If Blizzard ever puts a listing fee on glyphs or a couple other players start doing mass autoposting and canceling of glyph auctions 6 times a day, your raiding days with a top progression guild are numbered.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-1436147334236890392009-06-28T04:12:28.400+02:002009-06-28T04:12:28.400+02:00One of the reasons for blizzard not to implement c...One of the reasons for blizzard not to implement crafting boe items that are high ilvl is to reduce the focus on gold in-game. Many people don't have/dont want to work that hard/long to get gold so they buy it illegaly. This boosts the success for varius types of goldfarmers in wow.Adamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09877280374473487731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-66437516740727700912009-06-27T00:04:16.016+02:002009-06-27T00:04:16.016+02:00@Carl
It's not nitpicking. You've made th...@Carl<br /><br />It's not nitpicking. You've made three very grand claims in this thread alone that could be proved false with five minutes research. As for diluting your point about welfare causing dilution of "white" populations, well you still haven't provided any evidence for that beyond repeating the assertion.<br /><br />Without that evidence, the temptation is to believe that this is just something you made up, along with the other three claims.<br /><br />P.S.<br /><br />The "white" population is not the "native" population of the USA. Now <b>that's</b> nitpicking.Svenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07968080562561684936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-66769925841677015062009-06-26T23:04:57.811+02:002009-06-26T23:04:57.811+02:00@ Sven
I missed the "and" in between &...@ Sven <br /><br />I missed the "and" in between "Religious" and "Muslim" Muslim added for emphasis for the next line regarding reproductive freedom, sorry for the confusion. Nit picking my posts doesn't dilute my point that Welfare (low economic freedom) States have shrinking native (white) populations as a percentage of total populations it's even true in the US. You're right I should have been more clear. Appreciate your efforts in ehancing my argument. <br /><br />There's a spelling mistake in there somewhere can you find it?Carl Lewishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07323188841378312560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-66470177843218365942009-06-26T22:38:07.609+02:002009-06-26T22:38:07.609+02:00@Carl
"All those countries Are Religious Mus...@Carl<br /><br /><i>"All those countries Are Religious Muslim countries"</i><br />No, they're not. Simply in the top 10, Ethiopia, Uganda, Angola and Congo are not predominantly Muslim. Again, this is something you could easily have checked: it's on the same website I linked you to earlier.<br /><br />As for the "why so serious?" question, I simply don't believe that making stuff up is a sound basis for rational debate. If you take the trouble to check your facts, it will improve the quality of your arguments and you'll be more convincing in the long run. It's also a good opportunity to check whether your preconceptions are actually true.Svenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07968080562561684936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-30340568353119241842009-06-26T17:42:16.875+02:002009-06-26T17:42:16.875+02:00@ Sven
All those countries Are Religious Muslim c...@ Sven<br /><br />All those countries Are Religious Muslim countries, where there is no birth control, abortion and hardly any Womens rights. Comparing third world agricultural countries with incomparable cultures to western industrial societies is also a little bit of a stretch. I made the assumption we were talking about western countries since you brought up Western Europe I noted the fact you used the Qualifier "Western". I worded my last sentence in correctly, and should have added the word economic before freedom, and included western countries. For that I apologize, But again one of the things I mentioned was religion as a factor of birthrates which the data you provide supports. Also in my previous post I alluded too the in-comparability of Agricultural economies and Industrialized economies, vis-a-vis birth rates. <br />Not to mention the countries that top the list also have High infant mortality rates. Which also makes the comparison a silly one.<br /><br />taking the top 10 from the birth rate list.<br /><br />Niger 116<br />Mali 102<br />Uganda 64<br />Afghanistan 151<br />Sierra Leone 154<br />Burkina Faso 84<br />Somalia 109<br />Angola 180<br />Ethiopia 80<br />Congo 81<br /><br />This is not to say you're wrong at all, you are right, there is a correlation to poverty and birthrates. But that's irrelevant because we were talking about Welfare and Birthrates. <br /><br />This whole post is about Philosophy which at the end of the day is opinion. Why so Serious?Carl Lewishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07323188841378312560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-22779999018920665342009-06-26T10:38:27.709+02:002009-06-26T10:38:27.709+02:00@Carl Lewis
Birth rate correlates with poverty, r...@Carl Lewis<br /><br />Birth rate correlates with poverty, rather than freedom.<br /><br />As you can see from <a href="https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2054rank.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>, 9 od the world's top 10 birthrates are from sub-saharan africa. The non-african one is Afghanistan. Featuring well above any liberal western nation are Saudi Arabia, Syria, & Libya. North Korea is above Ireland , the USA, New Zealand, France, Australia, the UK, etc.<br /><br />Seriously - five minutes effort with Google would have revealed that your claim that "You will not find high birthrates in countries with low freedoms" was false.<br /><br />To quote a more recent post from Gevlon: "There is always data somewhere. Find it. Use it. Opinions are unreliable."Svenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07968080562561684936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-5732487163239797562009-06-26T08:42:48.570+02:002009-06-26T08:42:48.570+02:00Are they letting people by high end weapons and fu...Are they letting people by high end weapons and full armor? <br /><br />That's the question. Picking up a few pieces of loot with conquest badges is hardly going to kill raiding. If they allow you to fully gear using 5 man conquest badges, you could be right and only Triumph badge raiding will be pursued.<br /><br />I'd wait and see what is available first.Thunderhornsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-9075422229736905912009-06-25T21:29:39.602+02:002009-06-25T21:29:39.602+02:00@Sven
Germany Scotland Ireland and France are bec...@Sven<br /><br />Germany Scotland Ireland and France are become less entitlement based in my opinion and they aren't welfare states in the way the theoretical welfare state Gevlon was using to compare to the Patch changes.<br /><br />I'm sure you can agree that when you take from the rich and give to the poor you're going to start pushing the rich out of your country or at least their money and their businesses, Which has definitely happened to European businesses. This means that your talent leaves the country too this is your middle class your young and educated and they often do leave these countries in order to keep more of their money. This contributes to lower birthrates because these are the people who are most likely to have children. I don't quite understand why but socialism is completely anathema to Religion, which has been steadily declining in the wake of declining governance support, and even government restriction. This is another reason birthrates are low. <br /><br />You can also look at why people used to have lots of kids and that's because Europe and the US, was primarily agriculture and you needed children to tend fields that's they school hours are the way they are that's why kids get summer off. (interesting trivia) Moving to a nearly complete manufacturing/service based economy has given rise to Large obscene entitlements to workers and unions and in order to pay for these large pensions the citizenry is taxed. If you don't make more money or make just enough money to keep the lights on in your flat, lack purchasing power for a home, there's no way you're going to get married. Now assuming that you manage to make it as a middle class person in Europe and can afford to get married and have a child the probability is you're only going to have One child maybe two. if you have 60% of your population getting married which is on the high side for Europe you need 4 kids per couple to replace the population accounting for mortality before the age of 65%. <br />Now if you're a politician and you need your populace to accept taking 50% of what they earn for entitlements you better find a way to keep them from having children because they compete against your interests. You encourage birth control abortion and various other things to reduce competition to the power of the state. Why do you think china has a one child per family policy? Because of population? When 12% of the land mass in populated? I'm order to Promote entitlements you have to control the desires of your populace you have to engage in social engineering. You will not find high birthrates in countries with low freedoms.Carl Lewishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07323188841378312560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-67344017686965816892009-06-25T18:56:27.513+02:002009-06-25T18:56:27.513+02:00The idea that people on welfare are lazy and need ...The idea that people on welfare are lazy and need a kick up the arse to go back to work is just offensive. Maybe you should try making your writing more interesting in other ways.Helennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-15411981227496695412009-06-25T17:00:28.511+02:002009-06-25T17:00:28.511+02:00@Carl
"I don't recall ever saying anythi...@Carl<br /><br /><i>"I don't recall ever saying anything about Western Europe"<br /><br /></i><br />You made a general statement that in "In a welfare state ... there is *no* middle class". Clearly that is untrue, as the example of Western Europe proves.<br /><br />As for your claim that "Western Europe's white population is dying, and is in large part a result of entitlements". Care to provide any evidence for this causal link?Svenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07968080562561684936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-24024856286331377402009-06-25T16:41:00.816+02:002009-06-25T16:41:00.816+02:00@ Sven
[i]Simply untrue. Most Western European co...@ Sven<br /><br />[i]Simply untrue. Most Western European countries have both an extensive welfare system and a thriving middle class. Why? Because most people want more than just to survive and they work hard to achieve it.[/i]<br /><br />I disagree with you, and I think however our disagreement is a matter of perspective. Which forces me to posit the question what is this concept of class that allows us to stratify wage earners into it's upper middle and lower classes. <br /><br />Class is a divisive measure used to turn a certain group of people against everyone else. <br /><br />The term middle class was born out of the rise of a new class of people apart from the Nobility or land owners, and the Peasantry called the Bourgeoisie. The Bourgeoisie arose out of Mercantile Activity and Trade. Today Middle class basically means you make under 250k a year, you have some investments, you own your own home, you have a college education. Not very finite measures of classness.<br /><br />I don't recall ever saying anything about Western Europe, But since you posit that Western Europe is comprised of welfare state countries lets take a look at some of the countries with the most entitlement programs. <br /><br />France, England, Germny and Italy have had Lack luster markets for years, and Aging population, abysmal birthrates, declining employment. for the last 2 decades. Their middle class may look like it's growing simply because that number is taken as a percentage of the citizenry. All of these countries have growing immigrant populations which aren't counted as citizens, and often are tasked with the manufacturing jobs that require a young population these countries simpley aren't producing natively. All of these countries have immigrant Non citizen populations approaching 20% that's Staggering. There lower class is growning faster than the middle and upper classes, which is why you can't go into sections of Paris at night, or Liverpool Or Manchester. Western Europe's white population is dying, and is in large part a result of entitlements.Carl Lewishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07323188841378312560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-76058161093337266152009-06-25T15:52:13.215+02:002009-06-25T15:52:13.215+02:00@Silentjoe
Yes it can. Read the blog. People who ...@Silentjoe<br /><br /><i>Yes it can. Read the blog. People who are not raiding yet and want to raid lose out unless they have a lot of free time.<br /><br />Hrrm, I truly think Gevlon should stop doing analogies between WoW and real life. They just muddy waters.</i><br /><br />Just because Gevlon can come up with a real life example which can be slightly compared to this emblem change does not make it a one-to-one comparison or anyway remotely having similar consequences.<br /><br />And again, this change does not adversely affect anybody. <br /><br />This change will allow those not raiding but who want to close the gap. It's very simple math. Watch:<br /><br /><b>Current Emblem System</b><br />Non-raiders are 2 tiers behind content that can be purchased. With 3.2 they are now 3 tiers.<br /><br /><b>New Emblem System</b><br />Non-raiders are 1 tier behind content that can be purchased. <br /><br />1 tier < 3 tiers<br /><br />So how is this a negative impact again?<br /><br />"But raiders will put more time in and get more tokens and gear faster so I can't compete"<br /><br />Newsflash Simplejoe....raiders will be gearing up faster by actually raiding. I know a concept like this which has remained unchanged since Vanilla is difficult to grasp.<br /><br />There are non-raiders who will spend more time running heroics, but if they are non-raiders than they don't compete. <br /><br />In this "non-raiders who want to raid" category there will be some who have more time to run heroics than others so will gear up slightly faster...but since that is how it currently exists it does not <b>adversely</b> affect them. <br /><br />Now both can easier get into current content.dozenznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-31651628018267391902009-06-25T10:08:10.544+02:002009-06-25T10:08:10.544+02:00@Carl Lewis
"In a Welfare State the rich are...@Carl Lewis<br /><br /><i>"In a Welfare State the rich are Gouged by the state so the state can subjugate people by being their sole means of survival. there is no middle class, everyone is poor. "<br /><br /></i><br /><br />Simply untrue. Most Western European countries have both an extensive welfare system and a thriving middle class. Why? Because most people want more than just to survive and they work hard to achieve it.Svenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07968080562561684936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-71777088993999688002009-06-25T01:11:30.286+02:002009-06-25T01:11:30.286+02:00Flawed analogy, the increased ease of obtaining ra...Flawed analogy, the increased ease of obtaining raiding gear is not analogous to the welfare system in the real world. It's purpose and design is different. In WoW the point is that someone new to the game, and interested in getting into raiding would have no chance without this change. Real raiding groups will have moved on beyond the naxx and Ulduar runs that they would need to gear up to become ready for the Coliseum, leaving most players who are not already raiding locked out of the end game by trying to play catch up with substandard pugs or being carried by superior-geared players. Neither of which is idealRedemhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10906306813539889384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-70972645184734556022009-06-25T00:37:47.631+02:002009-06-25T00:37:47.631+02:00@Willowbear:
The reason Naxx and Ulduar won't...@Willowbear:<br /><br /><i>The reason Naxx and Ulduar won't get killed is because despite the time commitment (which isn't that much in regard to Naxx. A speed run can be done in 3hrs or less.) the rewards are still much better than 5mans and you can get badges as well.</i><br /><br />I am *absolutely* sure you will get much more bang for the buck in easier heroics (think UK) than in Naxx, yet alone Ulduar. Heroics need 5 people, Naxx / Ulduar need 10. Heroics can be played with one hand, Naxx / Ulduar require two (relatively speaking). There are many heroics, there is only one Naxx and only one Ulduar. These and other factors far outweigh the additional loot Naxx and Ulduar have to offer. We are not talking about speed runs here either.<br /><br />We will see, I guess, but I have absolutely no doubt in the above.<br /><br /><i>I'm not sure I understand your point about morons. You start off talking about a 'true casual' and then shift into morons and raiding guilds.</i><br /><br />I only used the word "morons" because you used it to refer to a group of players. Perhaps I misunderstood your definition of that group. I offer another term, "grinders", for those people who have a lot of time but choose not to learn to play well enough to do current raids, Naxx included (not discussing reasons). My definition of a true casual almost coincides with yours, with the exception that a casual can still raid. 6 or 8 hours a week is frequently all that is needed, many raiding guilds are OK with people raiding 2 and sometimes even 1 night a week. <br /><br />@Althalas:<br /><br /><i>How would that help the # of raids I can do in a week? I have time for 2 raids a week. I still need to gear my main as well.</i><br /><br />Like I said: spend these 2 raids earning emblems on the main, then mail them to an alt. If you need emblems for the main, you don't have the time to gear an alt and are trying to do the impossible.<br /><br /><i>I can spend 7 hours in 5 mans ove ra week to get 1 item. Or, I can spend 4 hours, all at once, to get 2-3 items dependng on the RNG and group. It seems fair to me.</i><br /><br />This is odd. You are arguing that you don't have the time to gear an alt and you want to reduce that time. Yet you are OK with spending more time in heroics than you would in raids (which would be possible if the emblem change I propose goes live). If you said, "I would settle for emblems being BoA, but Blizzard doesn't plan to do this, so I am happy they make emblems drop in heroics", I would understand. If your position is different, I don't.<br /><br />@dozenz:<br /><br /><i>What I find funny is the concept that people think this positive change can adversely affect anybody at all.</i><br /><br />Yes it can. Read the blog. People who are not raiding yet and want to raid lose out unless they have a lot of free time.<br /><br />(Hrrm, I truly think Gevlon should stop doing analogies between WoW and real life. They just muddy waters. This blog is a perfect example of a train of logic I can completely agree with being drowned in... well, I am keeping my mouth shut.)SilentJoenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-61872584451549029172009-06-24T23:20:21.565+02:002009-06-24T23:20:21.565+02:00What I find funny is the concept that people think...What I find funny is the concept that people think this positive change can adversely affect anybody at all.<br /><br />"Oh no...I can now decrease the gap between my current state and the latest content...I sure wish they would keep it the same so I can only get further and further away"<br /><br />Raiders get token gear upgrades faster and non-raiders actually get token gear upgrades. <br /><br />When people form PUGs and do gear checks they will only drop your undergeared character for a better geared one if it is causing problems (wipes). When you ask for an invite they will do a gear check to make sure your gear is at the proper level, and the Emblem change will basically make sure your gear is at level to get into PUGs.<br /><br /><br />Anotehr benefit is that the elmblem change increases the ways for players to increase their skill.<br /><br />They can now be able to enter a greater majority of content, playing with more players and wider varied players. They can learn more encounters, mechanics, and playstyles.<br /><br />As raiding content scales with difficulty rather quickly, by being abel to experience harder content people will learn.dozenznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-80611151449144239902009-06-24T22:19:19.875+02:002009-06-24T22:19:19.875+02:00WoW has such a huge number of users that no matter...WoW has such a huge number of users that no matter what they do there is a problem. The problem you cite is valid and will happen to someone. Of course this problem could be solved by nearly anyone by joining a casual guild, like mine, that is running 10-man Ulduar for a couple hours twice a week.Towneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11745404571752231398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-18460990490625070242009-06-24T22:18:17.353+02:002009-06-24T22:18:17.353+02:00Well i don't know when these changes will take...Well i don't know when these changes will take place. Though the only reason i do like the changes, in the summer it's hard to get 25 people together in my guild. <br /><br />If these changes come in the fall. Meh.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-29195342444875076822009-06-24T21:49:54.477+02:002009-06-24T21:49:54.477+02:00Welfare is bad because It harms the people that ar...Welfare is bad because It harms the people that are made eligible for it. The primary result of welfare or entitlements in general is it takes away the need to work for what is now given for free. So the time you would have spent making 5 dollars you can sit on your ass. You don't have to live in a nice house or drive a nice car or buy the best things or do anything that stimulates the economy or spurs progress if you are getting what you need to survive with out any work you can simply just survive. It makes the welfare class unproductive because they don't have to be productive. A great example of this is Predatory animals in captivity. When Animals born in captivity were first re-introduced to the wild they invariably all died because they didn't know how to hunt and kill their own food and they didn't know how to defend themselves against competitors for food. So they died. drawing the parallel if you receive welfare and don't know how to make the equivalent money it creates a dependence on the state for provisions.<br /><br />Welfare is bad because it makes the people on welfare essentially worthless, and it destroys the value of the people who have to pay taxes to fund the welfare system. This also juxtaposes with your post regarding public health care.<br /><br />First of all it's not even close to a welfare system because everyone can participate and no one pays more for the benefit of another player. Point out where the hardcore raider is disadvantaged? Point out where the casual raider is disadvantaged? Will you raid less? how? You clearly thing that is a zero sum situation that there are only a certain amount of raids going on at any one given time. This thinking is flawed. <br /><br />The emblem change isn't welfare, because you have to run just like everyone else for your emblems how is that producing something out of nothing? because they don't run the harder content which by the time the patch drops won't be the hardest content in the game? and That's bad? how? What's the problem with this What this does is get more people to the end of the game faster. it makes the pool by which to choose successful pugs great and gives the casual raider a greater chance at being successful and makes the game more fun. It makes business sense for Blizzard to do this.<br /><br />Your comparisons of Upper class Middle Class and Lower Classe To elite raiders, Casuals and M&S is also ridiculous. <br /><br />In a Welfare State the rich are Gouged by the state so the state can subjugate people by being their sole means of survival. there is no middle class, everyone is poor. <br /><br />Here NOTHING happens to the Elite raider except he gets to Geargasm all over a shiny new instancesa nd will get another one when IC drops. But they aren't keeping anyone down. <br /><br />Casuals you deem to be poor have more choices because they can get better through running content they already know and can finish so they can do the harder content. In Real life if you are on welfare and you work to get your self off welfare shit gets hard again and you have to spend more time to take home the same amount of money working than you would if you were on welfare. In wow there is a cumulative benefit to the causal player AND to his guild because they can run other content together. It also benefits elite guilds because when they have to pug the have more choice in who they pug. <br /><br />This fatalistic reaction is comical and is based on bitterness and feelings. People are just mad because someone who comes after them will have an easier time than they did and they are pissed about that. <br /><br />It's not Welfare if you give the disadvantaged a way to compete, it's not even affirmative action. Because no one is disadvantaged. go to the South Bronx or east new york 4th ward New Orleans, East Cleveland, East St Louis, downtown Newark New Jersey, you'll see what welfare looks like and you know that this doesn't even come close.Carl Lewishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07323188841378312560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-59312138137477952902009-06-24T21:11:27.194+02:002009-06-24T21:11:27.194+02:00Military dictatorships where huge tax is collected...<i>Military dictatorships where huge tax is collected and spent on the army are usually much more developed and having much higher GDP than socialist dictatorships, spending on welfare.</i><br /><br />Thanks, I haven't had a good laugh in a long time.<br /><br />As for the welfare issue, think of it as an investment. When people start starving to death in the streets, how long before the revolutionaries start burning down goblin mansions? The list of countries that discovered this the hard way is long.Zambonihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04554701832249354059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-32349683790458347392009-06-24T21:08:01.758+02:002009-06-24T21:08:01.758+02:00@silent joe
How would that help the # of raids I ...@silent joe<br /><br />How would that help the # of raids I can do in a week? I have time for 2 raids a week. I still need to gear my main as well. <br /><br />The problem is that raid content takes more people and more time. <br /><br />And no where did I say leveling an alt should be easy. I am saying that current conditions make it almost impossibel to gear an alt within reasonable time constraints. Blizz is easing that time constraint but lengthining the amount of overall time it takes to aquire that gear. I can spend 7 hours in 5 mans ove ra week to get 1 item. Or, I can spend 4 hours, all at once, to get 2-3 items dependng on the RNG and group. It seems fair to me. the investment is still there, but it is spread out.althalasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-6815681054093295492009-06-24T20:58:42.567+02:002009-06-24T20:58:42.567+02:00Woops...ignore the last part of my post. Forgot t...Woops...ignore the last part of my post. Forgot to edit those out. Guess I'm a 'moron'.Willowbearnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461700565722278823.post-17499183091866603622009-06-24T20:56:19.586+02:002009-06-24T20:56:19.586+02:00@SilentJoe: The reason Naxx and Ulduar won't ...@SilentJoe: The reason Naxx and Ulduar won't get killed is because despite the time commitment (which isn't that much in regard to Naxx. A speed run can be done in 3hrs or less.) the rewards are still much better than 5mans and you can get badges as well. Show me the weapon upgrades that you can get in 5mans or from badges that match what you can get in Ulduar/Naxx. Show me that you can do Ulduar or even the new Colleseum in 5man gear and you'll make me a believer. Both Naxx and Ulduar are still stepping stones to build toward the next instance release. Couple that with the fact that there will not be as much new content released with 3.2. There will be raiding time leftover after the new content which will at least be spent in Ulduar.<br /><br />I'm not sure I understand your point about morons. You start off talking about a 'true casual' and then shift into morons and raiding guilds. Sounds like apples and oranges to me. But I don't know what your definition of a 'true casual' is or a 'raiding guild'. Until you are more specific about those your point is lost. Making my own assumptions about their meaning:<br /><br />'<b>true casual</b>' = someone who plays 6hrs or less a week<br /><br /><b>raiding guild</b> = a guild that raids at least 3 nights a week or more with required attendance<br /><br />Given my assumptions why would a true casual ever want to join a raiding guild?<br /><br />Barring my assumptions, I would expect a raiding guild to have a better recruitment process than -<br /><br />"Can i join ur raiding guild for my epix?"<br />"Sure! Here's an invite!"<br /><br />If they don't then they deserve the morons.<br />The reason both 5mans and Naxx will be revitalized and Ulduar won't be abandoned is based on that 'socio-economic' class heirarachy G posted. Each level will b<br /><br />Ulduar-raiding "rich"<br />Naxx25 and Ulduar-siege raiding "upper middle"<br />Naxx25 2 wings raiding "middle"<br />Naxx10 raiding "poor"<br />5-man playing "very poor"<br /><br />Rich will move to the new instance, but continue to do Ulduar and possibly some Naxx speed runs for alts/dual-speccs/new raiders.Willowbearnoreply@blogger.com